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"Feeling lost again and the return of more questions answered"

Hey all! I'm sorry this comment is coming after midnight tonight (I had planned on doing this earlier tonight, but...).

If you have been reading this blog (and the predecessor blog) for a while, you know that a favorite TV show of mine is "Lost". Well, tonight was the second season opener, and -- well, let's just say it didn't disappoint.

I started the whole blogging effort by referencing the show (here is that post if you want to go back and read it) and now here we are, almost one year later and look how far we've come. I am looking forward to growing more with you in the coming year, and helping you navigate your way through this process so you don't feel lost.

Now on to answering your questions. . .

I asked you to make some suggestions and ask questions which were raised by our publication, Making MIT Affordable, and some of you were happy to oblige.

Lisa Dahl asked "Can we deposit funds into the TechCash account with a debit card? On page 7 it says we can use a credit card or charge our MIT account - so perhaps we could charge our MIT account and then pay with a debit card? Maybe this is found online already, it just came to mind when I was reading through."

Lisa, as far as I am aware, you can make a deposit to your Tech Cash account with a debit card. There is no different process for credit cards than debit cards. Maybe we can be more clear next year in the publication.

gyan daniel (or is it Daniel Gyan?) asked "i would also like to know the criteria meted out to international students.i am from ghana.how can you evaluate aid on need-basis. who qualifies for a waiver of application enrollment fees?"

And Faiqah Mumtaz asked "International students especially from the third world countries always wonder if they can actually apply for the financial aid, reason being even students from upper class in their country might not be able to pay the tuition fees, because of the ever-varying denomination of the currency in different parts of the world, thus keeping them in a big confusion all the time. Can you please help in solving the above mystery?"

We perform a complete analysis on every admitted financial aid applicant. For international students, this includes obtaining copies of either your national tax document (if you have one) translated into English, or a letter from your parent's (or s') employers verifying their salary. Once we collect this information, along with your International Student Financial Application we convert the amounts into US$ (using a conversion rate set annually by country, usually around February 1st) and run the same process on the data as we would if you were living in the U.S. As you probably can imagine, gyan, most International students are not able to afford significant contributions and therefore qualify for a significant amount of financial assistance from MIT. You may want to talk with some current MIT international students to get their perspective on the issue.

vivek had some questions about the Tech Loan:

"sir
i have something to ask about the MIT TECHNOLOGY LOAN (i am an international student)
When can i apply for it?
i mean before i join, i mean after i intimate MITabout my final decision and before originally joining, or after i finally join college
and when will i be intimated before i finally move to collge for admission
my second question is
if i wish to borrow less than 4000$ but if i dont earn what i did expect earlier will i be able to ask for further
another thing i could not get clear was, perhaps i need to go through once again, is this 4000$ a fix for total of four years or i can borrow this much amount each year. i hope it is each year.
and about this 8%loan i want to know how is the bank going to calculate the loan 8%of(4000*12)or 8%of 4000$"

Well, first vivek, don't call me sir... Please feel free to refer to me as Daniel (or Moneyman if that works for you)...

As for the Tech Loan, please be aware that we did change the terms mid-way during this year's application system to provide some advantages to those of you borrowing a loan (namely the subsidy of interest while you are in school). The way the process works for the Tech Loan is that after you accept the offer of decision, we will send you out a "Self Help and Outside Award Reply Form" which allows you to tell us how you would like your self-help ($5500) broken down (between work and loan). Once we receive this from you, we will turn around and send an award letter stating the amount of the Tech Loan and a co-signer application (all loans now require a co-signer). Once your co-signer is approved and you and your co-signer sign the Promissory Note, we will disburse the funds to your account. Another major change is that, since the loan is subsidized, nothing will accrue on the loan until the student graduates, and the student should not plan on paying anything during their school program. The new interest rate is 7% and is subsidized while you are in school.

nehalita wrote: "My biggest question is: is there a special salary that our parents earn that just makes it pointless to try for financial aid? What about the people in upper middle class? This is, obviously, a fuzzy line but how can a simple form show the difference between how much parents can contribute and how much they WILL contribute? Many students have to earn the money on their own and, being one of them, I don't want to spend the rest of my life in debt."

As for your first question, we have many people with incomes in the top two income quintiles who receive financial aid, so that there is no "artificial" cut-off salary limit. The problem with stating any limit is that there will always be exceptions to it (for example, a family earning $200,000 generally will not qualify, but there may be cases -- high medical expenses, more than one child in college, etc. -- where they will qualify). The other issue you have hit upon in your question, nehalita, is a harder one to answer. There is often a difference between our measure of how much a family can contribute and how much they are willing to contribute (both in the positive and negative direction). We will work with you on strategies as to how to afford the EFC (Expected Family Contribution) to make sure it is practical for your family (you can look at last year's posts to see how), but we recognize that our process measures ability to pay, not willingness.

Timur posted the following question/comment:

"Mr. Barkowitz,

If you could address my concerns about students working and self-help, it'd be much appreciated. As I understand it right now, all the work I've done for pay contributes to my family's income, and thus reduces my need, which reduces my financial aid package. The money I've earned doesn't go towards the $5500 self help, even though that's what that is.

It gets worse. My father just got a new job in December, after being in between jobs or unemployed for the past three years, and it looks like MIT wants the 2005 data, which has his higher-paying job. Is there a financial aid form that is perhaps better representative of his income over the past few years?

It just seems unfair to me that because I helped support my family, that it's not only harder for me to get in, but also creates MORE of a financial burden than if I hadn't worked. I'm sure you can understand my frustration. I apologize for it, but I don't think it's unwarranted."

Timur, let me see if I can put your mind at rest in some ways. First, we do take a look at student earnings used to help support a family and consider that when we review a case; on occasion, we may use this income to offset expenses related to maintenance of the family since it is not money you can freely spend. Alternatively, if your income is substantially over the minimum which would lead to a higher contribution that the base $1500 for Freshmen, we would then use any higher contribution from you to offset your Self-Help before your MIT Grant (as an example, if your contribution was $4,000, your Self-Help would be $3000 [$5,500, the base Self-Help, plus $1500, the base Student Contribution for Freshmen, minus $4000, your Student Contribution]).

As for your father's change in employment, we will take this into account on the first read of your file and it also may be grounds for an appeal of our financial aid decision. Remember that the income used for the base purposes of the financial aid system is the last completed tax year before your academic year begins (for those of you coming in 2006-07, that means we look at 2005), but we are given latitude to make different determinations if your situation warrants doing so. For example, we may use a three-year average income, we may protect assets for retirement (since presumably your parents have not been able to save for retirement effectively), or we may shelter some part of this year's income. Our reaction will differ based on the specific case, but it will be case-specific. Trust me, we will take your specific needs and situation into account.

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Thank you for answering our questions! Glad to hear that a debit card is okay, and that the season opener went well!

Posted by: Lisa Dahl on September 23, 2005 12:40 AM


Thanks Moneyman!

Probably your new process is much more helpful, it will be much easier with no interests to pay in school days.

But as for me, some thing that went wrong was that co signer issue

Anyway thats ok!I will look into financial institutions of my country to know if there is still any possibility for me to study there

But i can surely appreciate the whole move it is really very nice in mass interest!

thanks again

Posted by: vivek on September 23, 2005 01:13 AM


Vivek, just to clarify: You will only need a co-signer if you decide to apply for the Tech Loan to satisfy part of your Self Help (currently $5500 annually). Remember you can also cover some or all of your Self-Help with term-time work, so that borrowing a loan shouldn't be a reason not to consider MIT.

Additionally, the co-signer does not have to be a US Citizen or Permanant Resident for students, like yourself, living abroad. A parent co-signer is very possible. Remember, payments on the loan will not begin until after graduation by which point a monthly repayment amount for you should be no issue.

Posted by: Daniel T. Barkowitz on September 23, 2005 01:29 PM


Good morning, Moneyman! I have been MoneyMOM for years now and it is extremely stressful to transform regarding financial matters for my freshman student. As a single parent since my single child was 1 year old, I'm used to lots of involvement in every aspect of her life, especially education and finances. Although my daughter considered working during high school, she and I made a strategic decision that she would be better academically and financially to focus on school and extracurriculars; that worked in part becuase she earned scholarships that made it possible for her to attend MIT. It seems, however, that she does not understand fully yet the importance of taking responsiblity for her financial matters. Part of her personal growth will likely involve lessons learned from experience with finiances, hopefully none that are too devastating. It is very challenging for this parent to let go enough and not rescue her, but still advise her and help her transition. We started this transfer of responsibility in earnest during her high school senior year, and this is another stage in that process. I want to pay my part and assist on request, but she must do her part or she will have real-life consequences. It's all a matter of initiative - she gets her accounts in order and makes sure her bills are paid on time, and she initiates coordination with me; I no longer try to push and nag her into action and instead discuss options. We save phone calls for fun, and use email for business coordination. It's stressful to worry about the possibility of irresponsible financial management limiting options for my wonderful and brilliant daughter, but part of my letting go is knowing that even if she makes mistakes, she'll be able to learn and recover.

Posted by: Linda on September 25, 2005 09:29 AM


Thank you for so eloquently summarizing a parent's experience. I empathize with you and do want you to know that we understand the risk and reward inherent in this transition. We are ready to support her with help from this end. It sounds like you have made sure that she is well on the way to being a self-sufficient and well-balanced woman; congratulations on a job well-done so far!

Posted by: Daniel T. Barkowitz on September 26, 2005 09:02 AM


This is a great site , lot of non-money stuff too !

My D gets a nice financial aid package at a private college which enables her to pay her gap with her summer earnings . It's because our EFC is 0 ( family size, only husband works , handicapped dependent ) that she gets PELL , Perkins , ect . Recently my Mom-in-law had a stroke but she is active again she has a checking account connected to her savings account with stocks, pension deposits , ect . Her broker asked my husband to sign a form to enable him to write checks for her ( she still pays her mortgage, long - term insurance , supplemental health insurance , ect ) as she gets weaker .

I am VERY WORRIED about the implications of this signature on an account that does not belong to us ! I am worried about it messing up my D's Financial aid award . He is her only child in town which is why it has to be him . We only had to file FAFSA & send tax forms for verifications so far , but of course , I do not know where my son will apply to college . Does a co-signer of a checking monies account risk financial aid awards for their children ?

Posted by: mandymom on November 4, 2005 01:42 PM


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